Falcon-
those are indeed the ones I am talking about. I was wondering if I could find them somewhere else for a better price. I usually end up ordering about three hundred at a time so I do not run out. They really are a good sabot. Especially in my Green Mountain Barrels and in my Knights. I noticed that I am down to about 50 left and I hate to run out of anything. I guess I will just have to break down and purchase them from Traditions. I was wondering if they might be MMP sabots. And they can sure take a powerful load and still not slip the barrel.