Some say 145 others say 150+. There should not be a big change in tine lenght from velvet sheading just mass. This is in the second week of sept. and I can already tell the velevt is shrinking from previous pics. I am just hoping to get a look in the daytime this season. All pics I have of bucks this sixe are at night only. Maybe the rut will bring them out in the daytime.