Originally Posted by BIGBUCK17

yea the kicks vortex works good with black cloud but LA Duckman i wouldnt use your kicks highflyer with black cloud becasue the ports strip the wad and the black cloud shells have hulls that are not made to be stripped and that could mess up your choke or barrel. I got a kicks high flyer IC and Full and both of them work good with regular steel. I got 80% in 30 inch circle at 40 yards with full choke 3" #2 kent and 88% in 30 inch circle at 30 yards with IC 3" #4 kent.