I agree with Salukipv1...I have 2 of the Rivers Edge 17' Deluxe Ladder Stands and they are great to sit in and use with the option mentioned it makes time in the stand a lot more comfortable,safe and easy!I'm thinking they are on sale at Orschlens with 20% off which is a pretty good price on a good sturdy made stand that will give You years of use if taken care of.