Imo...these comapnies need to work together and create a stand...most everyone says LW and Summit is the way to go...I actually own a loggy bayou and as much as I hated the band the best part of it was locking the seat and ratcheting it down tight...I could actually stand on the corner edge in that stand plus the seat was comfy and good for all day sits...I now have a LW sit and climb and the alpha hang on...the hang on is quiet and very sturdy but the seat is painful...not enough padding for long sits...the climber was a challenge to get used to and I still don't feel 100% sturdy in it...I always make sure I'm balanced...but the sit is comfy, although not a fan of he arms when bow hunting...my next stand is going to be an equalizer...I'm tired of dealing with having to adjust when climbing because there is not perfectly straight trees where I hunt...the equalizer takes care of that issue...just my opinion