Wow, thanks for all of the replys!!!! I still havent made up my mind but am leaning towards the Accura v2. I wish more people had some experience with the Vortek. I like the feel of the gun. Guess I might try the trigger pulls next time to the store. Maybe I'll just use my ol TC renegade this year and not rush into buying someting too quick. I think the Bushnell 3x9 would work better on a muzzleloader than sitting on a shelf like it has for the last 5 years... The Tradition website seconds are tempting but so is the Sportmans Guide prices, tho Ive never bought from there. The bone collector is a mighty pretty gun, the salesman has one so thats all he talks....Thanks guys ...