No sir i am not here for that. as i stated you have seen visual proof from sabotloader and others that there are superior lead bullets on the market, yet you still argue for PB'S and never mention any other lead alternative in the posts i have seen you involved in. you jump all over people new to the sport with your CVA and PB speal like a hawk on a chicken on countless forums not just this one.like i stated earlier, take a look at what you type. your arguments don't hold water.and you accuse me of not having a open mind ? plain and simple fact is the PB is one of the worst lead bullets on the market period! that's a fact not even you can deny with a straight face..