hard to find, but ya need to be in total silence, in a room, in the dark...and draw yer bow...they can hear all that..werk on those sounds...ig..the arrow slidin on the rest, a lil medical tape can quiet that down...squeaky bearing...maybe your stand is making sounds...yer foot is crunching. its always something. maybe yer camo...get on the ground, use the foliage in the area to conceal yourself...kneel on the ground..when ya see em coming...draw yer bow..take aim through the grass...then stand and shoot..gl