While I agree on the Remington 770, the Savage Model 10 and 110 is offered as a package deal for $400 at Walmart. The Simmons scope isn't great, but the rifle is. You get the performance of a Caddy at a Kia price. So not all package guns are horrible. Just depends on which you get. I've also seen Remington 700 packages. Just because they are sold as a package doesn't mean they are junk.