Thanks for the responses guys,as stated by you both i had planned on waiting for the 2004' s to come out. This bow would be a hunting bow, I guess ill wait to see what comes out in 2004. If nothing new comes out i guess ill have to seriously look at the pat dually. Just wanted to get the low down on these bows from you guys seein that you have put them through the paces. Ive read the bow reveiws by you guys, all of which have been excellent. Thanks again and good luck this hunting season