The deer was pretty much broadside at about 22 yards or less. I was hunting from my climber. We tried bringing my dads untrained beagle in but he didn't do any good. The big deal is the undergrowth is so tall (waist high) so we are thinking he is laying in there somewhere we've just overlooked him. I'm going to go sit down in the area tonight and listen for coyotes possible howling or fighting each other which may indicate where my deer is.