I got the Gorilla greyback climber, cheap, works. I normally target tulip poplar trees, they are all over in NC and grow like telephone poles. The more you get used to it, youll noticed yourself climbing higher and higher, Ive had to climb back down. I now hunt from 18' seems like a sweet spot. Also a tip I like to do, is get your harness belt around the tree good and high, so when your sitting its got light tension on your body, its nice for close shots you can kind of lean out with your bow and clear the upper portion of your stand. I also like to sit with the bottom half lower, so Im almost standing and hardly have to "stand up" from a fully sitting position, works well on cutting down on noise. Also marked my pull up rope, so I can tell how high I am off the ground. Good luck, dont leave the ground without being strapped to the tree.