thanks guys for the info.i am going to give it a shot this coming weekend,will let you know how it works.Something to add to this is that a couple days before i saw these rubs i was up there in the moring and it was raining a little bit and on my way out i came across to dry deer beds right there near the rubs.I thought about hunting this area before because of some sign but never have,hell it is going to save about 20 min of walking and two less hills to climb.lol looking foward to that