Well it may still depend on availability but I think I've decided on the H&R 20 USH if I can get the thumbhole laminate stock. Thats two things I have always wanted and never had yet - a thumbhole stock and a laminate stock. The Savage comes in either black or camo plastic, had both, just cant get over the cheap feel of plastic. I can't beleive they dont have something else for it for such a nice quality gun. Maybe some 'aftermarket' company should make stocks for em...