took my renegade hunting for the first time today, had a great afternoon hunt. set in a ladder stand on the edge of a clearing where they logged off our hunting club last year, had a 4 point come out of the swampline about 100 yards from me somewhere around 6:30. he stayed behind some bushes for about 15 mins, browsing his way towards a clear spot. i kept getting glimpses of him, and he finally stopped about 60 or 70 yards from me. pulled the trigger and he dropped right there. I was using a 180 gr xtp bullet in a sabot, with 80 grns of pyrodex rs. the bullet hit the top of the right shoulder, and went into the backbone. i looked for a min to see if i could recover the bullet but couldnt find it. thats kind of strange because a few years ago i used the same bullet in a different rifle and did a complete pass thru on a 130 lb pig. I guess they just dont like the heavy bones.