[quote Night Crawler;3698100]the .308 is the only cal I would set up for 400+yd shots.[/quote]
What .308 cartridge are you referring too??? 06', 300 or is it the .308 win??
I'm sitting here, shaking my head.
You don't need a magnum rifle, you just need to learn to be a better hunter. Shooting 500 yards does not make you a good hunter, just makes you a shooter.
You need to learn how to deal with nature and if you do not get them today, to go back tomorrow and try harder.
Hunting in my opinion is a up close and personal sport.
If you cannot get closer then 150 yards to a deer, you are not a deer hunter. You don't need a cannon to shoot a deer. There are thousands of 12 year old and younger kids in Pennsylvania who shoots deer with a .222 Remington, 30-30 Winchester or .243 Winchester with no problems. So why can't you?
As we do everytime you type it seems.

First off just because you can't see more then 150 yards where you hunt doesn't mean other elsewhere can't! Try getting to even 250 yards of an antelope without a tree of any kind from which to perch or shield your movements. Just one example where shooting isn't because ones lazy or unable to interpret game sign, necessity. The arguement pops up all the time and the same bs is flung. Your not a real hunter if you can't get within 100 to 150 yards and the other side is just b/c you can't shoot further doesn't mean others can't either. Skill vs skill but most times its a strict by product of our different hunting enviroments. Some can't see more then 100 yards and others can see what appears the end of the earth. It makes us different yes but wrong or inadequate...not IMHO.