May I just add that MountainDevil54 is a geuine helper of Black Powder enthusiasts.I have never seen him advertise his sevices for money like others I have seen.I believe his Shooting Range posts are there for the benifit of all Black Powder shooters to benifit from. If he gets kick backs from the manufacturers well then so be it and why shouldn't he. If you take his advice or try any of the products he promotes I am certain you will not be dissapointed. I am a true blood Thompson Center Arms fan. But I also believe that you can get all the gun you need for a whole lot less money from CVA! For only $167.00 I purchased a CVA Wolf and with help from MountainDevil54 I have it shooting over lapping holes in the bulls eye at 100 yards. If I had a longer range to shoot at I truely believe it will hold a similar pattern at even greater distances. What more can you ask for at that price. And what more do you need to shoot deer with in practically any state.