I have 2 API stands that I have had for years and love them. The shrink wrap that comes on them is junk though. I have put a 5/8 water hose on mine and it made them much quiter. I had a Loggy before I bought the APIs and I hated it. The climber part was always hard to get off of the tree and the band they have to wrap around the tree makes alot of noise. It was comfortable after you were up though.