while i appreciate your advice how can you tell me to invest some time in walking the land.... been out scouting countless times following trails... seeing where and what they eat and where they bed. As i said the area im in has great sign just havent been seeing the deer. I believe its the fact that theres not much pressure anywhere around and they jus are not moving much yet. I actually killed a nice doe today and say a good eight in full velvet. Furst good mornging yet! My stand is in a natural funnel area which is why I picked the spot. Having a feeder is legal in ky, I have my share of hunting experience and basically i was spoiled with my old spot and im trying to adapt to a new lease. But thanks for imput