I didn't intend to start a big debate,we cant always agree and maybe I know the difference between a buck track and a doe track and maybe I don't but all the evidence I see in the field tells me that I do know the difference,as far as the buck not being mature he weighed 185 pounds,I never look at the antlers on a deers head to determine if its a shooter or not I go by body mass,I have never been a trophy hunter nor looked at deer hunting as a sport,I do it because the meat is 90% better then anything in the store and for the deer being 2 1/2 years old you are dead wrong his teeth was dang near down to nothing he is bigger and better looking in person.