I decided to start a new thread because I know some people won't read through a long thread. Literacy is becoming a real problem in this country. I see a move to improve the sabotless bullet design. That's good , especially since some states don't allow sabots. But I will address the fact that if you live in a state where sabots are allowed then you should not limit yourself with a sabotless bullet. In the future I will clearly show why a saboted bullet is far far superior to a sabotless bullet. Maybe we should spend money changing laws instead of designing sabotless bullets.