Well i just checked my cam and i finally got a close video of this buck. What appeared to be an mainframe 8 is actually a 10 He has probably 1-1/2 " g-4's really close to the ends of his beams almost look like small crab claws So some of you guys called it with the flyer 11 pts in all. I still think this buck will be near 160 possibly more I would really like the opportunity to do some hands on measurements