Grim Reapers Razorcuts...fly no different than a field point and are devastating to a whitetail..have the trocar bonecrusher tip that ensures good penetration..shot 7 deer last year (watched 5 of the 7 fall, all within 100 yards, with 6 of the 7 pass throughs)and the the only that didnt pass was a doe that was hit in the spine