Thanks for commments guys, Salukipv1, I actually used the razorbaks the last couple years and have had no problems with them on deer and turkey but since the center is plastic I wasn't sure how well they would do on an elk rib or heaven forbid shoulder. My soninlaw and I went to co last year and he killed a 5x5 using rage 2 blades leaving a very large entry hole with no exit. Has anyone used any of the SteelForce broadheads. They are cut on contact like razorbaks but are thicker, resharpenable and has alumimun ferrules.