i dont know how to tell ya this pal but not everyone likes scoped guns..i like a little rifle with peep sights for thick stuff and on drives...sometimes you dont have time to serch a scope for crosshairs...and open sight isnt for shotguns...only.ive had a couple sweet little rifles with open sites...and yes i killed deer with em. although ive never seen a shalacked tree in the woods...and to me if i cant hunt with it ,,i dont want it.