i wanted to try climbers about four years ago so i bought a hunters view hawk climber it cost me $100 it climbs the tree and sticks to it when set up never had it slip you can stand any where on the platform and it feels solid,the bad about this stand is that its about 33 or 36 pounds and i changed the foot straps they looked cheap and they changed the rubber tubing around the cables to plastic dont know if this changes anything. IMO it was a $100 well spent still using it