I figured the 80 gr for a normal hunting load but was thinking a hotter load if I use it on a Elk hunt in Utah. I had planned on using my Hawken with the sharpshooter barrel and a 460 gr No-Excuses with 100 gr 777. , but since the White will be coming I thought about taking it instead. I want to be prepared for a long shot if need be( 175 yds) but also have the knockdown power for an Elk. I guess I will really have to wait to see what it does once it gets here. It would be really good if Doc sent a recommended load along with it. I will have to ask him. He said the gun will be ready in 2 weeks. It is going to be a long 2 weeks I have a feeling.