Yea, I know trestand, but it was a little close to arrow slinging time to keep playing around. Shot my mighty mite with the Muzzy the other day and boy was it sweet. My back up bow (mighty mite) is faster than the LX and holds like a rock at full draw. If I could get the hand shock out of it, I might have 2 no. 1 bows[:-]. The Trophy taker is working real well so far. Don