sorry fellas, wasnt tryin to start no problems. I guess I could have looked a little harder and found those other posts. No one on here said anything, just other hunters I have talked to. Not measuring up either, I would love to have enough land to manage deer on. Right now I am lucky enough to have a little more than ten acres to hunt on. But I feel lucky that I can hunt and have at least somewhere to do hunt. oh and I shoot the fawns because they are tender. Feed them to the kids.