i believe if i trained toby to POINT when he found grouse, he would have.he POINTS groundhogs all time.why?because he knows if he flushes a hog in open field he will not get closer than 30 yds.

so he points first, holds it for like 5 minutes then stalks and holds or points all way to 20 ft from the hog.it takes him 30 minutes to cover 90 plus yds.
i dont know how to train dog to point /hold etc.when toby was small he would hold on rabbit,then turn his head slowly to look at me ,then slowly back to rabbit.

toby points rattlers all time. he pointed a rattler today along bank of river near my home.this is because he got bit about 5 times in neck over last 7 yrs.so he holds a point now and turns and looks at me.then i got to say, TOBY GET OUT OF THERE.BACK HE COMES.
i am going to try to learn how to put pics on here someday. pointing that rattler today would be good one to put on.i heard they have waterproof throway cameras that you can download etc. as i am in river almost everyday with him..........