That's a tough one. My first and only llewellen is now 4 and this is where he's at. Does awesome on these gambels and blues. Retrieves ducks out of the river and although he hates it and I help get the feathers out of his mouth brings doves back to me. In the duck blind I have to rest my foot on his tale cause it's going full on soon as we get to the field. There is more but it's just braggin'.