well, I don't think anyone here would have turned down the deal I got. He bought the rifle (22-250) new for $479. And sold it to me for $400 which included $220 in ammo. So, I have a new rifle that shoots dead on for actually $180. My 15 yo shot it off the bench yesterday at 325 yards and had a 4" group 4"'s high with a pos remington scope. To me, this gun was worth it all day long even at the original price. But the 308 he bought was a totally different story. Thats why I posted this warning....