I wish I knew Rick. It seems that there' s a lot of people over there giving permission to whoever asks. It' s turned my favorite spot--which once had great trophy potential--into an overhunted small area with lots of small deer. It' s a shame, I' ve hunted it for 20 years and wonder how much longer it' ll be worth the drive. Sadly, I may be looking at my last days of hunting there [:' (]