JW thanks for the tip it worked really well i came up upon a flock of ten birds started soft calling on the edge of this field around the corner from the birds and a last years jake came in and i smoked em my second bird ever and i made it happen was starting to lose faith but that bird made my day thanks again JW.
i will have the pic up soon hope it helps and puts us on top

4 1/4 inch beard
1/8th spurs
16 lbs.
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