I try to find the bachelor groups in early season. From about month before the season till the season starts, I scout from a distance with my binoculars. I don' t get in the woods but try to see where the bachelor groups are moving before they break up. There usually in the same spots every year but this year I havn' t seen them. If I don' t find them, I' ll be on the trails leading to and from the persimmon trees that I know about and also a few funnels.