or just use some old remington 150's they will get the job done!!!! U don't need a premium bullet...more elk have been killed with them old out dated none magnums with plain old soft point ammo than all the new fancy magnum bangnums!!!!! .32 special, 25-35, 44-40, 45 long colt ...all proven elk killers!!! .300 ultra mag .338 ultra mag and all them new and fancy cartriges..will they be here in 100 yrs?? no not all of them, but I can assure U that he 30-30 will still be here and still aviable cartrige