thanks guys I agree with the hearing protection but I think my biggest problem is the kick of each gun well more than anything they might not kick bad but I cant convince myself hey this wont kick to bad..I can tell myself all I want but at the end I'll still flinch...afew years ago I was bout to shoot a doe pulled the trigger and didnt have a shell in and b4 I completly squeezed the trigger I was amost at the sky line I flinched so freaken bad people have told me slow trigger squeeze...tell myself to calm down and the slow trigger squeeze i havent quite mastered but I can tell my self all day long this wont kick and I still end up flinch over the target