@drockw, sorry if I seemed like an a$$, no hard feeling here. I know that deer and targets are two different things, one is foam and one is alive and moves. I practice all the time with my broadheads. My wife gets pissed cuz i go through so many targets. I have yet to shoot a deer at 60 more if a coyote comes out, i dont have to guess again. thanks for all the help I think I know what I want to do.