I dont really like to kill em any more unless I have customers im testin loads or somebody needs the meat. Usually i just put em in the pen for awhile until somebody wants one. As far as gun breaking dogs catch, it doesnt usually take a whole lot. The first year i guided my dogs werent trained to come out so it was a handful. By the end of the first week one of my old timers was picking up on the idea and now i have two or three that will do it.