I do not belittle you every chance I get, and have in the past defended your position when I thought you were right. I do attack your position when it is wrong, and your position on the entire wolf issue is wrong. Lets take for example your stance in your last line of the above post: "it is not life or death to get a deer or elk as it was in the old days...". That is almost a direct quote from much of the anti-hunting literature out there. In fact, it is the nexus for much of the anti-hunting rhetoric.

I do not think you are an anti-hunter, however, I do see you as a representative of too many hunters that slip dangerously close to getting in bed with the environmentalist that are opposed to hunting. Many of your quotes such as "they where here first" regarding wolves are the exact arguments made by the anti-hunting leftist. If you sit down and look at the angle environmentalist and anti-hunters take, it always comes in the form of some sort of predator enhancement. Ever wonder why?

We have anti-baiting, anti-dog/anti-bear hunting legislation proposal almost every election cycle. We have anti-hunting cougar legislation, and wolf re-introduction. We have anti-trapping coalitions which is a predator heavy sport. If one sits backs and evaluates the MO of the antis, it becomes clear that they have a serious objective in perpetuating and enhancing predators in North America. I believe the long range goal is to ultimately eliminate the human hunter as the primary method of controlling animal populations. With humans no longer the primary control valve, and the food issue no longer a valid concern, hunting really has no place in a progressive society.

I personally think that more people need to get on board. I also think that too many hunters are more focused on the latest gadget they can buy, then they are on learning about their prey and the environment it lives in. Antis are misguided, but they are not stupid, and right now I would say they are in the lead. They engaged in a process of infiltrating the USFS, BLM, etc and they have been very effective in stopping logging operations over the last three decades. They have also been very effective in closing roads and limiting access and establishing wilderness areas or attempting to. Limited access by humans, and predator heavy areas means one thing, no hunting, and that is their goal.