Wrong again, as usual for finnbear. This "it's about hunting" and not killing crap is getting old. Why is it that hunters seem to feel the need to separate themselves from the kill? The indians celebrated the kill. finnbear, if it isn't about the kill then why carry a rifle? Can you not feel comaraderie with the mountains w/o carrying a rifle? It is about the kill, and if it wasn't you would be carring a camera instead of a rifle. Now if one were to say it is not "just" about the kill, I might be inclined to agree, but saying it isn't about the kill is total BS. The sooner hunters come to grips with that the better off we will all be. I like the meat, my family depends on it, you bet your azz it is about the kill and the day that it isn't I will stop hunting. I find it ironic that somebody who claims it isn't about the kill knows exactly how many elk he has killed, what are you keeping tally? I have no idea how many elk or deer I have killed.