Our herds are NO WHERE near where they used to be. The recent game populations are better than they've been in a long time but by no means "vast". In Utah we have 66,000 elk. Before settlement there were several hundred thousand. This year will be my 11th year putting in for a limited entry tag, I have yet to draw. Until I draw I'm chasing elk in areas where there are more hunters than there are elk.

But it seems you feel you understand the situation completely and nobody is going to tell you different so I think we'll just have to agree to disagree on this issue.

Good luck to you this coming season.