go to the rage site , and watch there uncensored video they show gaping bloody messes , but all the deer they shoot the deer runs away with the arrow sticking out of it no pass throughs , so i would say if you wanted peitration go with the slick trick if you want a big entrance hole but possibly no exit hole go with the rage , i have shot niether so , but just watched videos on them . i shoot nap bloodrunners and love them you should check them out , a very good head imo