I'll be the first to admit that your description is accurate when it comes to me Dave. I've grown up huntin and fishin all my life but have little experience with handguns. I only own one right now, a ruger mark II .22.

I thank you guys for your advice and have been decidedly talked out of pursuing the judge any further.

Now I'm leaning towards investigating either a springfield or glock subcompact in either .45 acp or .40

I can't really even put my hands on a gun until after April 15. that's why I'm trying to garner some learn-ed opinions now...

thanks again all