RE: 4x4 or 8 point?
If I am talking with a (deer)hunter I like to get or give a good idea about what the deers rack is like.
" A heavy 5X4 frame with a 5" drope tine on the right side that scores 197 gross and 188 net, non-typical."
That tells me somthing. Or you could just say you shot an " 10 pointer."
A woman could be described as 36" ,24" ,36" (that tells you something)or for those of you who like things totaled up she would be a 96 incher (that leaves you wondering).
Robin