Well, here's my take on the whole thing right or wrong. I live a stones throw from Pa and many of my friends are Pa hunters. I own 128 ac.and live on the same land. Cotton-Hanlon has a huge piece of land across the road and state land boarders the back of my property. There are 5 of us that hunt my property plus a 385 ac. farm next to me along with 3,000 ac. of state land. I'm an old phart and have hunted for 50 some years so I believe I have seen most of whats going on this state. Every year for maybe the 20 years we have seen less and less hunters in the field and the ones we do see seem to only hunt untill the Sunday after Thanksgiving. People say there are very few deer. That may be true in some areas but we have a ton of em around here. All 5 of us filled our buck and doe tags this year a few days after Thanksgiving. I have seen the published deer take for 2009 but I'm like you guys, I don't know if I believe it. The money we spend for those tags pay a lot of bills in this state. I think the younger generation is loosing the desire to hunt because it's hard to pull away from Nintendo games etc. The Pa boys are telling me the same thing, they are not seeing the hunters but they do believe the deer population is down from a few years ago. I can remember the days when these roads around here and the state land were filled with trucks during deer season but I can honestly say it's not the case any more.