Thanks for the suggestions guys, I' ll start working on them right away. Sorry if I sounded defensive in some of my posts, but this is really frustrating me. From 0-20yds, my first shot is fine, its when I stretch it to 25yds and out that I began to screw up. CBM makes a good point, I may be punching. I' ve never been able to hold my pins rock solid on my target, I have to play the " float" , which can cause severe punching. Can any of you hold dead steady on target from 25+yds?