I personnally only count the pellets I get in head & neck on a target, especially the brain & spine. As thats what really counts! I found w/my Mossberg 500 w/Mossbergs xx full choke Nitro ammo works the best. My boys also have same guns, w/Undertaker chokes. They also pattern just as good. Were getting around 40-45 pellets in head & neck area only at 40yds. I dumped a nice tom in woods at 60yds last spring. The tom was downhill from me, and turned out to be alot farther than I thought. My father & I both paced it off, and I was shocked!