I bought my 35 Whelen 7600 from Grices, part of the 2005 run. I'm loading the 225 gr. Game Kings, Rem. brass, 57.5 gr. R 15 and CCI 250 primers. Had the trigger reworked by Barnes, big improvement. I haven't really experimented with o.a.l., I kept them on the short side, more interested in reliable function over wringing out a few increments of group size. With a vintage Redfield Widefield 1.75 X 5 on her groups average around 1.5". Never shot a bear but have taken 7-8 deer with her. Can't say a bad thing about the Game Kings, all pased through never recovered one.