POtter, i actually thnk the opposite about Doug's hunting skills. While I disagree heartily with anyone killing high numbers of doe each year, in defense of his skillset, he finds and kills them on public land, many of them with a bow, and in the WMU with the lowest DD in the state. I think he's probably a exceptionally skilled hunter, which translates to his unwillingness to believe that everyone else can't find many deer in the same places. JM2C